March
12
HBO vs. LDS: The Mormons strike back - UPDATED
Full disclosure: I am a big fan of "Big Love." And I find the LDS (Latter-day Saints, aka Mormon) faith fairly baffling.
That said, I thought this was an interesting, detailed and reasonable take on the whole HBO vs. the Mormons controversy. (And if this sounds a little like a press release, the author owns a PR agency; he probably can't help it.)
[EDITED TO ADD: I've posted a LDS-sanctioned video, "Why Mormons Build Temples." Equal voice and all that. Thanks to commenter HiveRadical for the suggestion.]
Dear Daily Variety and Daily Variety Readers:
As a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ("Mormon") I am certainly not surprised that HBO is moving forward with its plans to air a segment of "Big Love" that purports to show scenes from what is arguably one of the most sacred portions of the LDS religion -- the temple endowment ceremony.
Then again, I am disappointed in HBO as I would have hoped that HBO and its parent company, Time-Warner, would have been more respectful of the faith and a people who have experienced significant persecution during its 175-year history. Obviously, those were false hopes.
More importantly, it appears that in spite of communications to the LDS Church to the contrary, HBO and the producers and writers of "Big Love" seem intent on blurring the line between the LDS/Mormon Church and the failed and illegal practices of a few polygamists.
As a practicing polygamist, Jeanne Tripplehorn's character, Barb, would not be allowed into a dedicated Mormon temple where sacred rites are performed and religious instructions are given. She would not pass muster in the two worthiness interviews required with two local leaders of her local & regional congregations before she could receive a "letter of recommendation" to provide her with access inside a temple.
In truth, anyone (Polygamist, Christian, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Gentile, Wiccan, Atheist, or whatever) can enter any Mormon meeting house around the world and attend any of our regularly scheduled meetings, and they can do so without being baptized and becoming converted to the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
That said, entrance into any LDS temple first requires baptism into the LDS Church and continued adherance to minimal standards for at least a year after baptism before one is eligible to seek a Temple Recommend.
Some of these Temple Recommend standards include* no smoking;
* no drinking of alcohol, coffee or tea;
* no use of illegal drugs;
* no misuse of prescription drugs or medications;
* no sexual activities outside of (or before) a legal and lawful marriage relationship;
* paying of tithing (10 percent of annual income);
* regular attendance at Church meetings;
* volunteer service within the Church;
* acceptance of the current President of the LDS Church as Prophet, Seer and Revelator;
* belief in God the Eternal Father, Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world, and the Holy Ghost as the 3rd member of the Godhead (and each of these beings as separate and distinct individuals);and (though perhaps last in this list, but not least for this commentary)
* agreement to follow and obey the laws of the land where you live.
Last I checked it is illegal to be in a polygamous relationship in the U.S. It is also grounds for removal from the Mormon Church if a Latter-day Saint is found to be practicing polygamy and will not give it up. Practicing polygamy will also prevent one from being able to A) be baptized into the LDS Church and B) from receiving a Temple Recommend allowing one to enter an LDS Temple.
I am ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT that the "Big Love" writers and producers know these facts. I am ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT that the management of HBO and Time-Warner know these facts.
Unfortunately, I am also ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT that the segment of "Big Love" scheduled to premiere this weekend will air as scheduled.
By doing so, the HBO and all affiliated with "Big Love" will do all Latter-Day Saints and the public at large a huge disservice by blatantly depicting not only something that is held as being supremely sacred by Mormons around the world, but also by depicting and promulgating a lie that a practicing polygamist (like the character "Barb") would ever be allowed into an LDS Temple. Then again, I have a hard time believing that any practicing polygamist would even want to go through a Mormon Temple ceremony; but hey, who am I to judge?
At the end of the day, I agree with the premise that HBO has the constitutional right to produce and air "Big Love" as well as this forthcoming segment.
I also have the right to NOT watch "Big Love" and to point out the the world and to HBO what I believe to be HBO's patently misleading, hurtful, salacious and disrespectful approach to all members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Sincerely,
David Politis

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I think they should have the LDS Church's video linked here as well, not just the BigLove segment--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x_-TQivCx8
Posted by: HiveRadical | March 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM
HBO’s aplogy is a farce. If they really wanted to apologize, then they wouldn't show this show and try and link these polygamists with Latter-day Saints. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the strongest stance against polygamy of any U.S. church, immediate excommunication. No if and or buts. HBO is just picking on the minority religion and slandering their beliefs out of context to boost their ratings.
Posted by: Dave | March 12, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I think that the controversial scene that will be shown will be a flashback as to when the character (Barb) was an active member of the Church and attending the Temple as a member in good standing. Pre-publicity indications are that she is now facing Church excommunication because she is currently in a polygamous relationship and she realizes that she will be giving up what she once thought and truly believed was an important part of her religious life.
The issue at hand is to what lengths the producers of the program go to show that sadness,regret and inter turmoil on her part, by linking her previous temple experience. Should there be great detail shown about what happens in those temple ceremonies, then it is for "shock value," rather than merely telling the story of her formal exit from the LDS Church. People will have differing opinions as to how it is handled. The real story is that the Rubicon has been crossed for showing on national and eventually worldwide television what Mormons believe to be sacred and holy. Now to be held up by many for ridicule without the proper understanding and context that such temple ceremonies require.
Posted by: Paul | March 12, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Being a former long-time multi-generational Mormon from Utah and California (I officially excommunicated the Mormon Church from my life in 1998 :) and as a professional marketing and PR consultant, I can say with full confidence and direct knowledge:
1) The Mormon Church invests millions of dollars ($US) each year in a professional PR agency and engagement process to burnish and enhance its image around the world.
2) The Mormon Church has never subscribed to complete disclosure of its true and unvarnished history, motives or objectives. The Mormon Church has zero tolerance of opinions that deviate from the core and "santized" dogma of the Church
(e.g., Boyd K. Packer, the next leader in line to become the prophet, led the effort to ex-comunicate six scholars who were members of the Mormon church in September of 1993. The six academics ex-communicated for telling the truth about church history would become known as the "September Six".
Critics of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints point to this and the more recent dis-fellowshipping of Grant Palmer, author of An Insider's View of the Mormon Origins, as proof that the Mormon church is anti-intellectual. Read more: "The September Six: This Event Started Boyd K. Packer's War on Mormon Intellectuals" - http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/mormon_intellectual_decline#ixzz09bjPRjNJ
3) The Mormon Church has spent its entire existence (since 1830) adopting, changing and burnishing its history and image to become mainstream and to be accepted by the popular and acceptable standards of modern society.
4) The author of this PR release (David Politis) appears to be not only a devout Mormon but an experience PR professional.
5) Transparency and complete honesty trumps all, especially in a new era when intellectual honesty, inter-connected social media and multi-cultural and diversity is a given.
6) Any attempt to control or "spin" in this day and age of instantaneous electronic media will likely result in disastrous consequences.
7) David Politis is attempting to "spin" the facts.
Posted by: nwshadow | March 12, 2009 at 10:26 PM
I'm LDS, and I think this whole thing is weird. Reading nwshadow's comments, "transparency and Complete Honesty" is nice and makesy-sensy when you use it on *other* people. I don't see the creators of Big Love coming out before the show starts to explain their own background and possible biases given today's political environment. Hmmm.
Also, the author of this blog post *did* mention that the guy who wrote the long quote about Big Love is a PR guy and LDS. We get it.
But why am I even replying to a PR guy's comment on an article that draws from another PR guy's words? Back to working with my gay friend on a project for work (not kidding, sorry to step on any stereotypes).
Posted by: Edmond | March 12, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Well stated David. I see exactly where you are coming from.
Posted by: Darren | March 12, 2009 at 11:24 PM
First off, thanks to the Daily Variety for publishing my comment here on this blog. And no, I probably can't help it if the above comment comes off reading like a press release, because I do own a PR agency.
That said, I re-purposed this comment (along with some explanatory background) at http://www.thebettyfactor.com/2009/03/12/an-open-letter-to-time-warner-hbo-and-the-producers-and-writers-of-big-love/.
I invite you to read the additional information there.
In addition, although I can't prove it, I believe that "Big Love" Co-Creator & Executive Producer, Matt V. Olsen, has commented on my online post under the pseudonym of "Mike."
My response to "Mike's" comment and my reasoning behind why I believe "Mike" and Matt V. Olsen are one in the same are explained in my follow-on comment to "Mike" at my blog post (follow the link above).
And if Matt V. Olsen is not "Mike," I sincerely apologize for making such a suggestion.
David Politis
Posted by: David Politis | March 12, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Since no one here has seen the scene in question, it's disingenuous at best for Politis to reframe the Mormon outcry in terms of the church's stance on polygamy. This whole brouhaha started over the mere fact that the endowment ceremony was being depicted at all - whether it involves a polygamist or not is secondary to this perceived violation of privacy.
Unfortunately for Politis and like-minded LDS-ers, the misunderstandings they seek to prevent are, fundamentally, caused by their own Church's secrecy. If the rites, rituals and practices of Mormonism were more accessible to laypeople, then not only would Mormons likely enjoy more mainstream acceptance in American society, but they would also be better equipped to weather any distortions of their faith - whether presumed, as in this case, or otherwise - that appear in the media.
Long story short: open up! Don't just try to educate us, but let us educate ourselves. Because until the Mormon faith can truly enter into the stories of our culture (and Big Love is one of the best stories going these days), it will never fully arrive into American life.
Posted by: Sean | March 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM
And having just seen Politis's second post, allow me to add paranoia to the roster of causes for the widespread "misunderstandings" of the Mormon religion.
Posted by: Sean | March 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Sheesh, David. Do you always post the email addresses of commenters at your blog? You no longer have any credibility to speak on the subject of showing respect for others' secrets. Zero.
Posted by: Chino Blanco | March 13, 2009 at 01:18 AM
if you're so ANTI-polygamist and proud of it, then you should realize that you can't celebrate and follow an entire religion made up by some crackpot (joseph smith) who was the original womanizing polygamist, without being continually disrespected and satirized for your hypocrisy!
haha. you fricking religion-blinded zealots are hilarious. do you realize how stupid you sound? nobody gives a rats behind if you or any other religion portrayed on tv is in any way offended. people are watching to be entertained. the fact that they even go to the lengths they do to portray the mormon church even remotely accurately is a HUGE gift, as they could do much worse and no one would know the wiser, nor would they CARE! and while Prop 8 is a big deal and you ignorant pieces of garbage tithe your way toward inequality and bigotry, this is a TV show! not a political forum- they are there to gain viewers and dollars- not make a political statement! so shut the "H" up and go back to praying for the sinners. your hero joseph smith being the top of your list for all the young girls he and his followers raped and exploited.
Posted by: a e | March 13, 2009 at 01:18 AM
"The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purpose of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done."
Posted by: Travis Bruce | March 13, 2009 at 04:50 AM
No persecutions, no mobs, no armies, no calumny ... just a TV show. If you've got 15 seconds to spare, this is pretty funny (and oddly prophetic): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7JgK_mmEBk
Posted by: Chino Blanco | March 13, 2009 at 05:35 AM
In response to Sean's call for openness of the temple ceremony, one wonders if he finds anything sacred in the world today; anything that should remain hidden from the prying eyes of a tabloid, internet-surfing, snarking, gossipy, puerile society; an interesting contradiction in a society that touts the right to privacy.
As for the comment about "no persecutions, no mobs," following the passage of Prop 8 in California, someone wrote a letter to the editor at my daughter's college suggesting that the extermination order of Gov. Boggs in 1838 should have never been rescinded. It was published without hue and cry. I wonder what the response would have been if there was a call for the extermination of Jews or African Americans. After a history of persecution, it is not surprising that such comments make Mormons a bit nervous. The thought does, after all, proceed the action.
Posted by: James | March 13, 2009 at 07:57 AM
The producers of Big Love (e.g., Tom Hanks, who recently called Mormons "un-American" for expressing political opinions -- then apologized) are making a mistake if they think airing sacred Church rituals are going to hurt the Church.
My parents are converts to the Church. They became interested only after having read a scathing, anti-Mormon screed in the Seattle Times in the 1960s. Truly, any publicity is good publicity. That long ago news article, clearly calculated to damage Mormon prospects, could not have backfired more spectacularly among my immediate family and the dozens of other families we have converted over the years in Seattle, Atlanta, Montreal, Santiago, Chile, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and other places we've lived.
So while I wince to think what might be shown on Big Love (without the kind of context that makes the experience profoundly beautiful and rejuvenating for me and millions of others), Tom Hanks and his buddies just became "Mormon Missionaries of the Year." Count on it.
Posted by: Dropping By | March 13, 2009 at 08:07 AM
" failed and illegal practices of a few polygamists." By a few I wonder if he means the founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith or its next great leader Brigham Young. The only reason polygamy was given up by the Mormons was so that Utah could become a state. I agree that today it is a small minority, but at one point it was one of Joseph Smith's prophetic visions.
Posted by: Chicago | March 13, 2009 at 08:50 AM
To correct Chicago's misinterpretation of history. The pressure to discontinue the practice of polygamy, resulted, partially, from the government threat to confiscate the property and assets of the church and any member who practiced polygamy (without due process). Talk about separation of church and state.
But more important, members and apostates started using polygamy without sanction and for their own prurient interests. Then, and only then, did God order the discontinuation of this holy practice because it was being abused. And not because of politics.
There is a certain irony to the fact that the ancient, revered prophets practiced polygamy, but it is abhorred by the modern devout.
Posted by: James | March 13, 2009 at 09:19 AM
"The pressure to discontinue the practice of polygamy, resulted, partially, from the government threat to confiscate the property and assets of the church and any member who practiced polygamy"
"Then, and only then, did God order the discontinuation of this holy practice because it was being abused. AND NOT BECAUSE OF POLITICS."
Did you read your comment before posting it? Or did you just not notice that you condratict yourself within your statement? Or maybe it's just a coincidence that "God order[ed] the discontinuation of this holy practice" at the same time that the government threatened legal action.
Posted by: Adam | March 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM
"Did you read your comment before posting it? Or did you just not notice that you condratict yourself within your statement? Or maybe it's just a coincidence that "God order[ed] the discontinuation of this holy practice" at the same time that the government threatened legal action."
Be fair, my namesake. You omitted a sentence of James' statement saying "members and apostates started using polygamy without sanction and for their own prurient interests" which was very important to his point.
My contribution to this discussion, as an LDS church member, is just to inform you of how this portrayal makes me personally feel. I have to express it in relation to something that a non-LDS person would have in their life. It would be like taking a home video of you and your spouse holding your first child for the first time and airing it on national television in the middle of the Simpsons (or any random show). It is basically taking a very important, intimate, personal moment of your life, and mocking that intimacy by showing it to the whole world. Not cool.
I think a lot of non-LDS people don't understand how something experienced by millions of people (church members throughout the world at hundreds of temples) can be so personal to each one, but it is.
Posted by: Adam | March 13, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Thank you, David Politis, your comments were very factual, and to the point. I also wanted to reply to some of the comments which accuse the church of being "anti-intellectual", and that it tries to conceal "facts" of history. First of all, my experience with the LDS faith is that gaining as much knowledge as possible is encouraged, and is a good thing. What church members object to is when other members begin to twist history or doctrine around to make them into something they are not, and then proceed to make a big issue out of it and persuade others to follow their mistaken interpretations. This is what the problem was with the intellectuals referred to who were excommunicated. That is true with any church or organization: one can't expect to go off on a tangent and go out of their way to turn people against other members and leaders without becoming a nuisance and becoming detrimental to the organization as a whole and to the best interests of its members collectively. People who disagree with the leaders and other members are then free to leave and then pursue their own differentiating beliefs. The church cannot be expected to change on the whims of a few intellectuals who think that "because they are learned they are wise". There is a big difference also between wisdom and knowledge. I have known very many gifted, talented, bright individuals who were also very proud and thus made stupid mistakes in many of the really important decisions in life. I have also known many who have had a great balance in their lives and didn't let their pride get in the way of their progression in true wisdom.
I see the church as being very open to its history and past doctrines, more so than any other organization I know of, especially in recent years. History is always open to interpretation and so there are always different interpretations of the same historical event. Some will judge a person more compassionately, without being too quick to condemn, while others will judge hastily, being quick to condemn. Joseph Smith knew from an early age that his name would be had for either great good or great evil, and that sure bears out in modern times as well as in the 19th century. People also believe what they want to believe, and we need to be compassionate of other peoples honest beliefs, and can disagree without being disagreeable or disrespectful.
Posted by: Phil | March 13, 2009 at 09:23 PM
That said, entrance into any LDS temple first requires baptism into the LDS Church and continued adherance to minimal standards for at least a year after baptism before one is eligible to seek a Temple Recommend.
If this guy watched the show he would know that Bill and Barb are former members of the "mainstream" LDS Church. The temple scene is apparently a flashback. So, stop getting your garmies in twist, dude!
To all those offended by the the "Big Love" episode, keep in mind the following: a) This will take place in a fictional setting. I'm sure it will be done realistically but they did not use deception to enter a temple (e.g., with a fake or stolen temple recommend), and they did not tape actual people in an actual ceremony.
b) If you enjoyed the DaVinci Code, the Godfather, Keeping the Faith, Dogma, All About My Mother, Schindler's List, Seinfeld, M*A*S*H, or any of the other thousands of films or TV shows depicting the sacred practices of another religion, ask yourself how different this is. Yes, Mormons consider these rituals to be "secret" while many of the ceremonies in other churches are open to outsiders (while still sacred to believers), but why should Mormons be privileged to be the only religion that can't be depicted in their religious practices? We can we make movies about Catholics, Jews, Protestants, Hindus, and whoever else, but not Mormons? Why, exactly?
Also, if you're reading this you're mostly like aware of a little invention known as the "internet." You may have even heard of "bookstores" or "libraries." In any of these places you can read about every aspect of the ceremonies. And you don't even have to go to anti-Mormon sites or books. Just pick up a copy of "Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry," originally published in 1866 and having absolutely nothing to do with Mormonism. It's also available online.
We can debate all day long about why Joseph Smith appropriated Masonic rituals for the temple, but the simple point is that he did. And it's all out there, easily accessible. (Also, if you think it's more different than the current ceremony than you expected, that's because the endowment ceremony has been changed multiple times over the years, taking out the penalties, for example, while the Masonic ritual has remained relatively stable, keeping said penalties, for example.)
Speaking of PR, I wonder how many thank you cards and gift baskets HBO has sent to Church HQ by now!
Posted by: Swearing Elder | March 14, 2009 at 08:58 PM
So now that it's aired, where's the beef? Barb's mom and sister basically sneaked her into the Temple for the endowment ceremony. However unfamiliar it may be to non-Mormons, the ceremony and it's aftermath were (in my opinion) handled in a very respectful manner. Had the gatekeepers known she was a polygamist, she would not have gotten in - and so Mr. Politis's main objection has been rendered moot.
As to whether HBO had a right to show the ceremony at all, no matter what the context, the answer can only be "yes." This is America, after all.
I find it interesting that a major theme of Big Love this season, at least as far as mainstream Mormonism goes, is the venality of the LDS (and by extension, of all organized religion) and its penchant for monetary, emotional and spiritual extortion; and yet, the biggest complaint is over one particular scene in one particular episode that violates one particular taboo. I suppose this is issue is a bit too complex to render into a tidy public outcry.
Whatever the case, I have to agree with the other commentators that the LDS only helped Big Love and HBO with their statements. They created a prurient interest, only to find that there was nothing prurient there. If there is a better practical argument against prior restraint, I can't wait to hear it, and to see who makes fool of themselves next.
Posted by: Sean | March 16, 2009 at 12:43 AM
I thought the scene was nicely done and much prettier than other videos I've seen on anti mormon sites.
Posted by: jackie | March 16, 2009 at 06:15 AM
Well stated. I too am disappointed with HBO's decision to air the segment, especially after defending their reasoning with "[we did] research up to wahzoo."
In order to be so detailed, they would have known these facts (borrowed recommends don't work).
There are many inaccuracies throughout the series, perhaps due to the experts being ex-Latter-day Saints.
The anti-sentiment is obvious though. Even the segment's music seems to resemble anti-Mormon videos (from the 5 seconds I saw).
Makes you rethink the non-apology and philosophy of the network.
Posted by: Julie | March 16, 2009 at 04:09 PM
as a catholic, can i just say... get a fricking life you whining LDS losers!! welcome to reality. entertainment will use your religion as part of the script. get used to it. worry more about your faith and less about hollywood. big love is a great show! so is the tudors! so is the movie doubt! so is every jewish film made! LDS folks are way too sensitive! god bless!
Posted by: betty in baltimore | March 18, 2009 at 04:27 PM