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i still dont see a point to this because you still need the disk to play the game, and its not like the games load quicker

Yeah, its good that I can install Fable 2 to my Hard Drive, I noticted straight away that when I paused the game with the disc spinning it took quite a bit (4 seconds), where as with it installed to the hard drive it took less time and this is awesome. Every game I have installed seems better off in some form.

Wow you are all noobs. His games look better because the load time of rendering textures has been reduced making the image look cleaner. Studies have shown this to be one of the few perks to saving a game to hdd although it is only true for a few select games Fable II being one of them. Another major perk that most people have not discussed is the fact that you are now not running the hell out of your rom. This will greatly improve the lifetime of it.

Is there a way to insert a disk into the tray that is used to trick the xbox into thinking that it is game you are playing. This would make it much easier to use because you would no longer have to switch disks, and you could just rent games and copy them.

Due to the fact you need the game disc to play games saved on the HD, is it possible to use copied versions of the game disc once the game's been installed on the HD by the original disc?

you need the actual disk to load up the game stored on the hd. so, no, you can't just rent games and save them.

Many games (including Fable 2) use a multiple-resolution texture system. The game loads low-res textures for objects in the distance, and then swaps in high-res textures only when it needs to. The streaming tech in Fable 2 is not perfect and the high-res textures often don't load in time (or even at all) because the DVD access time is too slow to keep up with all the texture requests. You can hear it grinding away at the disc if you play, seeking back and forth constantly.

Fable 2, like any game that uses multiple-resolution textures, will look better when installed to the hard drive because the high-res textures will be much faster to access and will show up at the appropriate time.

try deleting the game from the HDD and then load it up. Is the graphical improvement consistent?

If this is true, I suspect it has something to do with heat.

Perhaps your 360 was running too hot until now. This can cause things like the GPU slowing down to protect itself from overheating. As the dvdrom isn't constantly spinning a disc it puts off less heat. This allows the GPU to run as it was supposed to all along.

Just a guess.

I suggest copying Mass Effect to the hard drive to test the theory out. If it is a disc bottleneck, it will be apparent, as Mass Effect uses graphical layering, and as you turn toward objects, they get progressively more detailed. My guess is that there's a bottleneck in the speed it is able to cache the mapping and textures that prevents it from doing it all much quicker.

I'm looking forward the this update for the very reason you mentioned.

Thanks for taking the time to post about it :)

The game doesn't have to render the textures off the disc any more, what it does is it almost installs the game like it would on a PC. (Ex. organization of filetypes) This will produce a slightly improved graphic because the games textures are now pre-loaded instead of loading off the disc. It will slightly reduce anti-aliasing (not ALOT) as well. Just makes the graphics a bit sharper is what I'm explaining. I wonder how this loading the game on the HD will effect online as well since the game doesn't have to load from the cd.. perhaps better loading times in rooms and hosting improved? let's hope so...

I'm pretty sure you just made this up in your mind. Too much positive thinking?

Think about it. If this actually happend Microsoft would be saying it at every opportunity.

Is this update for xbox 360 out already or is it still beta.

I think i may know why, depending on what tv or monitor you are using. If you are using a monitor size 22" or any other 16:10 contrast ratio display, the NXE has support for a new resolution 1680X1050, this is boviously a huge bump from the previous maximum 16:10 resolution of 1368X765. If that is the case, then it explains why you see such a huge difference.

The only thing the hard drive could possibly do is elivate pop-in were textures are loaded in and out.

The player sees this as low resolution textures suddenly pop in to high resolution textures, the limitations of DVD speed cause this a lot. But with HD's it can be reduced not completely as ultimately it's a RAM issue but the speed of loading and unloading textures is improved.

That's my best guess as to what you saw, to makes textures sharper in game you must use anisotropic filtering but this requires the GPU to do it at a performance cost so I cant see how copying the data to the HD magically turned up the AF levels. The brightness I've no idea about that one (you sure the NXE update didnt mess with the display settings if left to auto over HDMI).

You should try Mass Effect that game is notorious for pop-in it doesn't seem at all to use the HD for caching data so there should be a noticeable improvement if you install that one to the HD.