Set List: Led Zeppelin, London, 2007

At Led Zeppelin's first reunion gig in 27 years, Robert Plant dedicated "Whole Lotta Love" to Ahmet Ertegun, noted that "Trampled Under Foot" was his Jimmy Page's attempt to sound like Robert Johnson's "Terraplane Blues" and provided no clues as to whether Led Zep will take the stage again, like on a  tour of the States.
Variety's Steve Clarke reports that Led Zeppelin, with Jason Bonham on drums, performed the following Monday at London's O2 Arena:

Good Times Bad Times / Ramble On / Black Dog / In My Time Of Dying / Your Life / Trampled Under Foot / Nobody's Fault But Mine / No Quarter / Since I've Been Loving yOu / Dazed and Confused / Stairway to Heaven / The Song Remains the Same / Misty Mountain Hop / Kashmir / Whole Lotta Love / Rock and Roll

Comments

[NotSurprised]

I saw them 6 times on the Physical Grafitti tour and they SUCKED!!!! Unless they were completely sober tonight, I can't imagine it being different.

Have movies of the shows to show how bad they were. Philly Spectrum, L.I. Nassau Coliseum and M.S.G. in N.Y.

[Robert]

Hey, in response to NotSurprised comment. I have a show from Feb of 75 at MSG. Your ears must suck, not Zep. some of the 75 tour was pretty rough, it was Plant's voice

[Paige]

I've listened to many Zepplin bootlegs, and the '75 tour in particular was incredible, some sets lasting 3 and half hours. I have a CD of Dallas and No Quarter specifically was mind blowing.

They may not be what they used to be, but '75? Well, that was an amazing tour.

[Bobby]

The music critic/genius 'notsurprised' is most likely just trying to stir sh#$ up. I've seen virtually all the great bands of the rock era, and Led Zeppelin were clearly in a class by themselves. When fully focused and firing on all cylinders, no band in the world, before or since, not even The Who at their absolute peak, could compete with Led Zeppelin. In the entire history of rock music, Led Zeppelin remain totally unique and without equal. In all honesty, without John Bonham, Zep's incomparable drummer, it can never truly be Led Zeppelin. That aside, the surviving members are so extraordinarily gifted that I'm sure it was a spectacular show.

[azureblue]

Where is Over the Hill and Far Away? Best Zep song ever! Hope they come to Florida, I'll be in heaven!

[WisZepFan]

My mother majored in music from the University of Wisconsin in 1952 and eventually became a pianist for the Milwaukee Symphony's Spring League. As a student of classical music, she surprisingly had an enormous respect for contemporary rock including Emerson Lake and Palmer, the Beatles, and Led Zeppelin. She enjoyed listening to their "clever arrangements" and could hammer out some serious renditions. Many of my friends would want to hang out with my mom and hear her play. Now 76 and suffering from a recent stroke, she wants to see her favorite rock band- Led Zeppelin. I can only hope they come to the US.

[Pamela Des Barres]

I had sex with all of them in their heyday, and Peter Grant was definitely the champion when it came to a roll in the hay!

[Eric]

What an exiting day it has been. Even though I wasn't there physically, I was in spirit and thought. Their music was the soundtrack of my youth, hell my life. I am in the Bay Area and was at the infamous show in Oakloand in July 1977. I will listen to and revere their music until the day I die! Zep Rules forever.

[macdmc]

YO.. you people don't know anything about music.. real music is all abnout us the next generation, black people and hip hop.. led zeppelin and old white cavemen music sucks and isn't listenable, the future is us, the hiphop community and groovy rap beats.. rock is for old losers and is music for retards..look at them with their old guitars and crappy style

[Jimmy]

macdmc, didn't Nas say that hip hop is dead? Loser. Go post in the rap forums.

[Princess]

The comment from MACDMC is hilarious! For people who can't play music other than one beat, scratching a record back and forward on a turntable, using simple second-grade rhymes, it is truly hilarious. For people who can't speak or type English properly, who can't even speak at all without using their hands like gibbons, and who perpetuate racial hatred with songs about killing whitey and mistreating women like trash, I know where the REAL music is! Even at their absolute worst, the generation that Led Zeppelin thrived in was light years ahead of the mental and cultural Neanderthals that oocupy music and America today. Once Arsenio Hall taught people to act like monkeys with his Whoop Whoop Whoop, and rap impresarios got rich off making sure their customers remained in monkeydom waving their arms wildly with no brains in their heads, there was no looking back!

[macdmc]

Princess.. when you open the tv what you see? hiphop, when you go on MTV what do you hear? the great rap music that everyone wants to see or else they would play other music styles. when you look at young people what do you see? hiphop fashion, even white people. We the black are so best at music that even white people want to be like us and try to speak and move like us. We are the biggest influence in this generation and we will dominate the future. This is our time, we are not being your slaves anymore. We know what is cool and we rap about it in our songs with the best music equipment that there ever was, no prehistoric instruments like led zeppelin. All that you said is stupid because we the rap generation is the best and we rule over stupid bands like led zeppelin who are not worth nothing and I just proved it! take that! rap represent !

[VoiceofReason]

macdmc, hip-hip is NOT music. I repeat...it is NOT music. Stop calling it music. It is rhythm with syncopated words over it - just like Square dancing. If it doesn't have melody and/or harmony it's not music. Rock is for retards? I guess tracks saying "Ni**er" 50 times while taking about women's butts and shooting cops is Harvard grad material huh? And the future IS NOT Hip-Hip and Rap, Rap/Hip Hop is actually OLD. Its been around since the late 70's/early 80's. Sugarhill Gang, Run DMC, Digital Underground, Public Enemy anyone? Hip-Hop and Rap have overstayed their welcome at this point. Rock 'n Roll just has no direction at the moment, no new heroes, no genre shaping artists taking it in any new direction like Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Eddie Van Halen, Nirvana etc. did in their day. There's no inpsiration. Music today is corporate, vanilla, Wonder bread, created for the masses crap. Nobody is taking risks or bucking trends. Music (and movies)is green lighted more by the marketing departments than real record moguls like Ahmet, Phil Spector, Don Kirshner, Lou Adler back when it was about the music and not dollar signs. Hip Hop is dead and I live for the day when 50cent has to sell off his mansion and cars to pay all the back taxes he owes.

[fishaholic]

..."we are the biggest influence in this generation and we will dominate in the future..."

Yeah, right. Did you ever stop to think that that might be what's WRONG with this generation? All these young punks like you are so dumbed down, it's taking less and less to make you think your stuff don't stink. Well, let me tell you, you better pull your head out of that self centered universe and get a dose of reality.

[macdmc's retarded brother]

Youz tell them macdmc! These niggar-hatin' whiteez gotza ta hear it like it is. Ah shit. Fuck deez old Zeppelin whiteys. Dayz old and dayz don't matterz anymore to nobody. Hip hop rulz! Get down with Coolio and P. Diddy! Martin Luther King Jr. Man!!!! Nobody uses instroments no more. Demz for looozers

PeEeace OUT

[Tboner]

To MACDMC and Princess, you grew up on Rap and Hip Hop, we grew up on Rock & Roll. Don't speak like a thug, it only shows your complete ignorance. There is really good talent that has come out of the Hip Hop generation. Too bad the other 90% of it is total crap! What you see is a generation of angry people that think society owes them something. Get a grip! Oh, and Zepplin rocks!

[blueraja]

macdmc: If there was no rock where would rap "artists" steal their samples and drum beats?

[stacey]

I saw Zeppelin in 77 in LA, when Keith Moon joined John B for a drum solo two really great drummers, who were giants of the music industry of their time. Kids who listen to r and b and rap don't have a clue how big these artist were compared to back then. Zeppelin sold out 5 or 6 consecutive nights in the LA at the Forum in in 77, no artist today could do that. In those days concerts could draw 200 thousand or half a million people, and people could walk around in the masses safely. Nowadays try going to a hip concert or any big event and not worry about being carjacked or robbed in the parking lot or gang violence. They say that music is a reflection of the culture, and while zeppelins music wasn't going to shed light on the theory of relativity, it was popular, and a lot more descriptive of th soul of of the human race for their time and respectfully with dignity which compared to what we have being produced today, ghetto music now just reflects the inability of the uneducated to grasp anything but fear , violence and racial hatred. Its not a matter of white music or black music, a lot of African music is really good yet sounds nothing like US ghetto music or but like Led Zeppelin and the old motown stuff the music has soul, and that is what makes good listening.

[Gunny2112]

Rap? There, I farted....

Seriously, macdmc is likely a 13 yr old troll simply stirring the pot out of boredom, having not tasted his mom's snatch in so many years.

As for Zeppelin...well, 20 million souls vying for tickets pretty much says it all.

[Mighty Zep]

The show was utterly fantastic!!! Led Zeppelin didn't perform every song we fans wanted to hear, but my God... what an experience!! Hammer of the Gods indeed. (And lovely Pamela DesBarres - your book rocks, too, sweetheart.)

[Lawrence R]

To be there on my birthday, WOULD'VE been a story to be told. To see, no less, legends.
Lawrence
www.carmatchpro.com

[DJwiggitywack]

Let see, I'm too stupid to play an instrument, I have a terrible voice so I can't sing, what do I do? I know I'll rap. And along with rapping I'll murder someone for street cred, sell drugs and push some black chicks into being my ho's, that's the ticket. Hey MCstupid, when you wake up and get your check from the mailbox why don't you spend some of it on a Led Zep album and see what real music sounds like, oh and by the way, your mother says hi and where the hell was my fathers day card.

[DJwiggitywack]

Let see, I'm too stupid to play an instrument, I have a terrible voice so I can't sing, what do I do? I know I'll rap. And along with rapping I'll murder someone for street cred, sell drugs and push some black chicks into being my ho's, that's the ticket. Hey MCstupid, when you wake up and get your check from the mailbox why don't you spend some of it on a Led Zep album and see what real music sounds like, oh and by the way, your mother says hi and where the hell was my fathers day card.

[Oldtimer]

I also saw those 1977 concerts in LA at the Forum. It was a musical highlight of my life when Keith Moon joined John Bonham for Moby Dick and Whole Lotta Love.

[RJC]

Led Zeppelin is definitley one of the best rock bands ever. I too had heard some of their concerts were less than steller because of Plant's voice being out of shape. They way he pushed his vocal chords to the extreme, I guess you have to expect that now and then. And the drinking didn't help.

Rock and Roll is a very limited musical format. There's only so many ways you can combine the chords, beats, and voices until it becomes another genre. Zeppelin were vert unique.

As for comparing Zep to todays music, most of it is not even close in quality. 75% of the best rock and roll music that will ever be made, has already been made, and most of that was done in the 60s and 70s. It's good to hear that Zep can still recreate the magic.

[NotSurprised]

That they sucked when I saw them had litle to do with Plant's voice. They were sloppy, off rythm and Page's guitar work was awful.

I have ben to a LOT of shows over the years, and the ONE band from that era the was consistant in performance was The Who.

[david]

i saw a the second Knebworth show in 79, they opened with those immortal lines 'it's been a long time since i rock-and-rolled', 90,000 people went nuts, three hours later they closed with an amazing version of stairway ... never have been much of a zep fan, but that's one of the best shows i've ever seen

[HocusFocus]

NotSurprised: If Zep sucked so bad, why did you see them SIX TIMES?

[cosmicflyer]

Dear NotSurprised,
I too was at the Physical Graffitti show at the Long Island, NY Nassau Coliseum. As far as I am concerned they played it just like the album, note for note, word for word. Maybe you were too high or slept through the show to fully appreciate it.

[cosmicflyer]

Dear Macdmc,

You are so articulate and pedantic. Get the dictionary out moron. You set back racial relations by one hundred years. Your Mama must be so proud. Go get your shine box. Step and fetch it.

[honkey_zepfan]

How many rock stars from the 60's and 70's have been involved in drive by shootings? Zero. These knuckle draggers that call "rap" music have been smoking too many blunts. I seem to remember a couple of years back that P Doody sampled Kashmir and had Page in the video of whatever song it was. Rap and hip hop are a joke. They sample everything cause they are too freakin stupid and untalented to actually play an instrument. They make up stupid rhymes in ebonics that only they understand. Bands like Led Zep, the Beatles, Stones, etc will have a legacy these monkeys can only dream about. If you spearchuckers don't like it or have respect for it then quit sampling the white mans music and using it in your jungle music.

[Rickkins]

Dear macdmc and macdmc's retarded brother. "niggar-hatin' whiteez"...???
Are you for real...??

Allow me to clue you in a bit. Folks who like zep, are likely also fans of musicians like Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Guy, B.B. King, Vlasti Jackson(who both me and my son had the pleasure of meeting and shaking his hand at the Montreal Jazz fest this summer) among others...and these guys are all black.

You see, not liking rap is not about not liking black folk, it's about not liking crap.

Suggestion....go download some Jimi Hendrix and listen...maybe then you'll "get us"...

Peace out dude..

[TK]

Mr. Macdmc, if you want to learn of hip hop's true roots and origins, play the last track of Led Zeppelin IV. The bass and drum beats might sound familiar to you.

[Drewy]

Rap sucks period.

The brits now how to rock!

- AM - U.S.A.

[Ros]

Mcdmc, as much as I love Led Zep, you are just wrong. Led Zep sampled a lot! From blues musicians.
At one time, some Americans thought blues musicans were sinister and the music vulgar and crass.
Hope they tour.

[Skip Smith]

Rap isn't even original. Sampling is the real key to rap. Listen closely, to every rap song and you'll hear a melody or riff from a great song from years ago. Does anyone remember (laughter, pun intended) RUN DMC and Aerosmith. It took rock n' roll to bring rap mainstream. P Diddy sampled from The Police and the list goes on and on and on. So do all of the lawsuits of rappers stealing (sorry sampling) from other ORIGINAL music.

[Greg Webber]

I have loved rock and roll all my life and many bands,but Led Zeppelin will always forever be the greatest.

[Ros]

The Run DMC/Aerosmith collaboration was not one of raps finest moments. That was, for the true believers, the beginning of the end.

Rap caught my attention in the seventie's with the Furious Five. It became mainstream (out of the Bronx) in 79 with the Sugar Hill Gang. DJ Kool Herk, The Last Poets, Zulu Nation...and later, Blondie. It's basically a shell of itself now. No substance. No concentrate. Just like whats left of pop. There is a good underground rap scene going on along the Coasts. Limited to live performances and no marketing, its worth giving a listening to.

[willie boy]

why all the hating? love your music and listen to it.

[Bryan Breaux]

Led Zeppelin was four white guys that listened to the black music of America... fell in love with the sound... followed by imitating what the heard... and in the end created a new sound that defined another branch of the rock-n-roll family tree... it was this band, Led Zeppelin, that coined the phrase "heavy metal".

The difference between today and yesterday regarding the black music of America... back then, the black American musician could actually play a musical instrument.

In today's world of black American music... aka Rap... nothing much onstage... a DJ and a MC... and this is coming from a personal friend of Pimp C of UGK. (R.I.P. Chad Butler)

I long for the day the black American musician picks up that guitar again... Prince, Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Guy, B.B. King, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, etc.

Or bangs on the ebony and ivory again... Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Little Richard, "Fats" Waller, Scott Joplin.

Until this day comes, those four white guys from England that call themselves LED ZEPPELIN should keep on rockin' and rollin' in honor of the dieing black American musician!

Now let's get the Led out and turn it up to 10!

[J.C.]

I don't know where you were cosmicflyer but Zep never played it note for note just like the album. 'Rock and Roll' began the '75 shows and it was preformed basically the same every evening but after that the band did what made their music so energetic and interesting every night, they jammed. You can find bootlegs of shows separated by 24 hours and see that the music sometimes seemed to be played by different bands. The best example might be the 1977 Cleveland shows April 19 & 20 - The 'No Quarter' middle session on these two nights aren't close to similar - no offense but I think you may have been under the influence.

Anyone who suggest they were there six times and it was awful is deranged - lets see... "man they sucked, I better go again"..?

Hip-Hop - actually the live music of hip hop these days is played by musicians on those 'prehistoric' instruments - strip out the pointless, repetitive and often demeaning vocals and you have the best Jazz being played today. I'll even defend scratching as an art form (really not as easy as it looks)
[Coolio and P Diddy??? Do either of these guys even release new stuff any more - don't you mean Kanye and 'Fiddy Cent'? How 'white' and out of touch are you?]

I will also suggest that to hear current R&R that doesn't suck you will need satellite radio, XM and Sirius both have excellent modern and college rock channels. There is also a World satellite radio but it isn't available in the states so I don't know what they have.

Finally, will the show be broadcast or a DVD made available? Tour or no tour I am dying to see/hear the show.

[Andy in Oregon]

MACDMC: I have a saying: "Anyone can rap. Few can rock".

[Rudy]

Its amazing how this turned into a racial thing and a rock/rap feud.

Most rock muscicians having roots in the blues are intertwined into black culture. Zeppelin took many influences but certainly borowed from the blues.

Its kinda funny how if you go to a blues show with a black performer you almost only see white people in the audience.

Its a shame that people dont see this as something that people have in common and want to be devided in this way.

Jimi Hendrix was a good example of the mix of white and black in music. A black man who played the music that white people created from the black mans music ( that of course was played on instruments developed by the white man for the most part-- minus drums-- and the black music was derivitive of things created by whites). If you go in this direction of thinking you realize music is music and nobody has racial domain over it.

Jimi had a hard time dealing with the fact that he was seen as a black man playing white mans music in the eyes of his fellow blackman. All he wanted to do was make music.

The other funny thing is that so many people that would spout racial hatred as it applies to music see Jimi as a near god.

Music is something that should trancend race.

As far as the value of rap. I guess that can be debated. I love zep but I also like the beastie boys (jewish rappers) and public enemy ( black rappers or hip hop artists). The muisc or sounds they create have an affect that I cant deny. Its different and perhaps not as technical as some rock music but nirvana is not as technical as Emerson Lake and Palmer and ELP it can be argued is not on par with Behtoven or Mozart.

Some people can appreciate Guitarists like Steve Vai and Satriani while others like a Jimmy Page style better.

The whole argument of what is good music is silly and gets away from why music is and should be created.

There is definately alotta of music in both rap and rock that is pre made corporate product that can be debated is sub par. The main problem with it as has been stated by other people is it stagnates musical expression and trains people to like a certain thing. Just a little more control by big organizations telling you what to think. Another form of mind control and in my opinion a step backwards

People should spend less time arguing over what is the best and explore all types of music see how it is all intertwined and strive to support those that elevate the art.

I an now getting lost in a free form rant so I will end it here.

But for those who use music as another way to divide people. Bad mojo. We have enough of that type of thinking in all other aspects of things and music should be a sanctuary from these behaviours. This go's to both sides.

Peace!!!

[NotSurprised]

I went to the shows because:

A. I had tx for free. Scalped the rest, paid for my tix.
B. Had dates..couldn't disappoint the girls.

As for being asleep or high. Maybe a contact high but nothing direct. Being high would have put me in synch with the band. Not asleep 'cause I was filming.

Next...

[JoeBlow]

Zep is good. I always thought the followers of them were sort of "unclean people". They always looked like they could have used a bath. The girls, although generally pretty, always looked like they could very possibly be carrying a venerial disease of some sort.

I have always said that MTV ruined music. They really did. Now VH1 and MTV are grasping at these little rappers in a desparate attempt keep what little market share there is left. I don't know ANY whites that even watch MTV ot VH1 anymore. The kids don't. Some of the Wiggers watch Flava Flava or whatever that garbage is.

[Jimbo]

voice of reason, youre a fucking douche. you know nothing about music and are probably some idiot old ass white dude who cant dance anyways. go fuck yourself

[rock'n_roll_will_never_die]

It's unfortunate that folks like brother DMC has to turn this into a racial thing. I agree with the comment a while back, music is a reflection of the times and Led Zeppelin was a relection of the 70's. It took trememdous talent to write and play like they do. Rap reflects today's attitude-- violence, hostility....rudeness. Rap is frankly lazy. A rapper doesn't have to think so hard. They can sample someone else's guitar licks or whine and moan about how "da' man be puttin' us down so let's shoot whitey" and have it released on a CD. Where's the talent? Why brag about the values of death, drugs and crime that rap brings to our youth? God help us if this is an indication of what the future holds for us. I would much rather have the Zeppelin generation leading us than the Puff Auggie Doggy Daddy generation.

Back to the concert.....MAN I wish I couldve been there. I remember listening to Zep and being in a frenzy from the fantastic arrangments and blistering sound. There is nothing like it. You could sit and discuss the philosophical thing all you want and get nowhere. The point is what do you want to listen to at 2 in the morning with the lights out drinking a cold beer and just hanging out? The sound of Zeppelin was meant for that. Kashmir at 2 am....it doesn't get any better.

[Jimbo]

voice of reason, youre a fucking douche. you know nothing about music and are probably some idiot old ass white dude who cant dance anyways. go fuck yourself

[E Vile]

I like the guy who says he saw them 6 times on the Physical Graffiti tour and they sucked. I'm guessing you're a little slow. That is one of the most absurd comments I've ever heard.
Also, rap idiots...leave coversation. People reading about Zeppelin don't want to be reminded of how far the music scene has fallen.

[JoeBlow]

I like the "new" 2007 slutty look for women. It's a "clean" slut. They look as though they have washed their privates, unlike the women of the 70's where the buzz word for boys was "getting some stinky finger".

The little thugs have been unimportand and will remain unimportant. Whatever this little thug punk in here is saying is just blabber. He's a little wigger.

[5L4M]

Maybe you people's memories are shot after all those years, but Keith Moon played most of the show June 23, 1977 at the Forum, not just Moby Dick and Whole Lotta Love at the end. The only part of the night I actually remember him being off stage was the acoustic set. There is YouTube video of parts of that show, too, btw....

@macdmc and his retarded brother - You ain't hip hop. You a punk.

[Clutch]

I like to get high.

[J.C.]

So you illegally sold 'free' tickets and illegally filmed shows. So where can I get copies of the films? Most 8mm I have is simply too short to be of much worth. I do not drink or smoke [so inebriation is not an issue] and saw over 40 Zeppelins performances and it often seemed to me that the sloppier Jimmy was, the better Zeppelin were. Almost all 1975 shows are available and are freely traded so anyone who thinks the shows were poor performances should find, listen and then think again. Worst Page performance I ever saw was the Outrider tour where he seemed to be ill.

[Fecal McStool]

I like to talk about stool.

[sammy colbert]

they rocked the house!

[Rudy]

one last comment on all this racial BS.

"Trampled Under Foot" was his Jimmy Page's attempt to sound like Robert Johnson's "Terraplane Blues

Right there in the article is mention of Jimmy Pages influence by a black musician. For the young people out their that dont know the history of music. Look up Robert Johnson. Then realize when you mock Zep who was paying homage to a great Black Bluesman you are essentially mocking "black music" and are performing an act of self hate if you are in fact black.

You can if you like make the argument that Zep stole the music like some say about Elvis, Eminem and other white people who have adopted or integrated "black" music into their style.

But remember one thing. If it werent for white people and non black people digging "black" music no black musicians would be any where near as succesful or rich. White suburban kids made Fity cent super rich. Without that audience he would just be well of, not super rich.

Not to mention BB King and all the great older bluesman would have next to no audience to play too anymore and would have faded into obscurity by now. What a shame that would be.

Young people, perhaps more so young black people should be aware of the History of "Black" music and maybe have a little pride in it. A little respect for those that came before and what they contributed to Rock Music and be proud.

And white folk should also be less angry in racial terms when they understand the music they are so fervently defending is amalgam of styles and types of music that would never be what it is without the contribution of black musicians.

Im pretty sure the members of Zep would be disgusted by the racial BS.

Personally, what I like about ZEP is so much of it still stands up. I can hear a Zep tune that I havent heard in a while and still be amazed at how awesome it is.

So much can be said about all the members of the band. I might give Jimmy more credit then the rest but it was what the 4 guys did together that made something very special and powerful. Nobody can deny the talent or the Impact that the Zep made.

If you deny it you dont see clearly or just have a bias you wish to push. Your perogative.

[Tmac]

You guys got played on the rap versus rock thing. I don't think the macdmc is even black.

[ClassicRocker]

Led Zeppelin was under-appreciated in the 1970s yet the momentum built and you hear Led Zeppelin in rap music these days. Blacks loved to skate to "Kashmir" back in the day in the roller rink in the hood. That's why Puff Daddy teamed up with Jimmy Page.

As far as black music/white music, Led Zeppelin took old black music and made it sound cool by playing it with their white blues filter and improved it/made it their own.

If you know about black music, you can hear it in a LOT of Led Zep songs.

MACDMC has got his head too stuck in the present. LZ taught me that music is multi-generational and inclusive and can make you feel good with the power, not threatened.

So much can go unsaid in rock music and people just know what it is because you can feel it in the way the music is played and not have to be told in the words.

[sup]

Led Zep vs. rap shit....

When Sean "P Diddy/Puff Daddy/whatever" Combs was on Saturday Night Live with Jimmy Page, Combs, who is probably the biggest giant in rap, got on his fucking knees like the good boy he is, and bowed to Page.

'Nuff said.

[Shadooby]

Funny about the comments concerning rap and hiphop. Have these geniuses watched television lately? All of the commercials feature 20 to 30 year old rock tunes, not hiphop or rap. I thought it a bit absurd to hear Jeff Lynne's "Hold On Tight" selling Honda (from 1981), but what the hey. ELO's Time was better than anything that has hit the market this decade.

[ClassicRocker]

And when Led Zep was on stage last Monday night, Jimmy Page "bowed" to Robert Johnson by playing a bit of the original and acknowledging their musical roots publicly. The circle is unbroken, the karma is good.

[JDW]

I grew up loving early rap and heavy metal. Black Sabbath/Nazareth/Zeppelin/BOC and Grand Master Flash/Run DMC/BDP. Then I saw Boogie Down Productions live in 1990. It sounded like SHITE! Live rap sux. I stopped listening to rap in 92 and haven't looked back or missed anything musically serious. Imagine pitting Zeppelin live against JayZee...Christ!

[CRF]

Ditto Rudy.

I grew up in the 70's and 80's listening to Zeppelin. They were very up front about their musical influences, and because of that I began listening to older Blues music and ultimately older Jazz music.

The evolution of music is a fascinating study, and it also gives you a good history lesson to boot.

I hope Zeppelin tours in the US...I was too young to see them the first time around!

[P Diddy]

Here is the clip of me and Robert:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=45MghyE8pOI

[Brian]

Regarding Macdmc and her comments about rap 'music' and how it's the 'future' of ‘her people’ and the like. She continues, "the losers who listen to rock music and Zeppelin".... To respond to MACDMC, let's begin at the beginning. A song must have A) a melody, B) a chorus, and C) a bridge to fit the well accepted definition of a song. Rap 'songs' do not fulfill that definition. Rap 'songs' are what we classify as a 'diddy' or an excerpt or part of a song. Young people today as well as kids in the music business are less educated than ever about music, its composition, and all of the other fundamentals of music they missed out on while text-messaging their friends in class and fooling around on the ‘net’. When I listen to young people’s music today, for the most part I hear simplistic composition without any technical ability or style that makes any lasting impression. It is sad. When we look back at the music of the 20’s & 30’s (ragtime / Jazz), 40’s (Swing / Big Band) 50’s (Folk / Rock), 60’s Rock, 70’s Rock / Motown /Disco etc. When we arrive in the 90’ to present, this new-age ‘music’ is missing something – it’s not timeless or memorable in any way to me – and I’m not that old (late 40’s). I submit to Macdmc that ‘her’ people start studying musical theory, learn to correctly speak English so we can all learn to enjoy ‘your’ music. The swinging of the arms and all the ghetto-expression by these rap-chimps is quite tiring / boring and of no cultural value to the educated. ...And the music all sounds the same, for the deficiencies listed above. Fact is, we all know ghettos exist and so try to pull yourselves collectively out of the ghetto with real musical composition – like the black jazz greats of the past. The solution is education Macdmc.

[rawleyv]

the song listed as 'Your Life' in the set list is actually 'For Your Life'. From 'Presence'.

[NotSurprised]

What I meant by "free" was..I upsold tickets which paid for my tix and sound film, transport, etc. Also the time, sometimes days, I stood in line for sales to start. Understand, the tickets were ALWAYS in the first 4 or 5 rows, center stage. As for filming, I hid nothing, walked through the ticket gates with my gear in hand and never had a problem. This was in the days before artists started charging for autographs and pictures.

[WhiteSummer]

It was Ringo Starr in the Beatles who first furthered the idea of giving the bass drum a heavier thumping sound in a studio recording. The engineers were afraid needles would jump off the records of people's home players. Norman Smith refined the technique in the Beatles' "Paperback Writer"/"Rain" songs before being promoted to producer of Pink Floyd.

[gerard pawling]

best album the zep ever did was "Eat a Peach" still listen to it at least once a month

[Ericb]

Uh...Eat a Peach was the Allman Brothers.

[Tery]

I too saw Zep when they were not so good, back in Oakland in 77 (I think). They were not tight and Page was just off. They acted like they all just came off a real bender! Big disappointment, but I still enjoy their music to this day, as they were very, very few that combine as high a technical proficiency with great art form.

I keep listening for it, but no one ever quite hits the mark as they did. Period.

And rap - a miniscule few put some real thought put into their stuff - can't really call it music, but obviously some entertainment to certain people. (The animal side came out more in Rock, and progressed further until we finally have hip-hop, which is full-on about 100% raw animal.) I suppose it is entertaining to those who are programmed for it.

[aslongasit'snottechno]

macdmc's retarded brother~your apparent racism in your post obviously shows you know of Martin Luther King, Jr. but don't know what he says. Quit sounding like some backwoods redneck!

Black artists? If it wasn't for several pioneering black musicians, rock as we know it would have never existed. Other posts are right, Hendrix, P-Funk, Bad Brains...all black artists, and amazing.

[gerard pawling]

"Eat a Peach" was originally done by the Allmans but while I lived in Copenhagen (circa 1982-1994)I bought a cover version done by zep - a real bootleg classic- check it out

[Andrew]

To sum up the brilliant arguments made in this blog:

1. Golly, they sure don't make music like they used to. (muttered by a retiree while drinking mint juleps on the front porch of the old-folks home)

2. All old music sucks because it's old. (spoken by a surly 12 year-old whose Grand Funk-loving mom has just grounded him)

3. You can't go to hip-hop shows without getting stabbed! (shrieked by middle-aged white guy at a stoplight in his BMW, frantically locking the car doors as a black guy crosses the intersection)

4. Zeppelin rocks!!! Whoooo!!!

5. Zeppelin sucks!!! that's why I've only seen them six times.

And that's about it. Why don't we just squash this beef here (as the kids say) and admit that all forms of popular music are just ripping off the Greeks? We're just squabbling over the details here. They invented and named the scales, pioneered the instruments, and perfected the rhythmic epic poetry that would eventually birth hip-hop, the ballad that would eventually birth pop, and the Dionysian flute jig that was, even then, pretty much a rave with more nudity and the added attraction of frenzied human sacrifices.

It's all the Greeks, man, The. O. Ri. Gin. Na. Tors. Straight outta Kimotini.

[joeblow]

If we really want to get racial then here we go…who invented the guitar, violin, viola, sax, trombone, piano, dulcimer, harp, etc.
Who invented electricity and parabolic shapes that could be hooked to magnets to make speakers? Who invented the electric guitar?
Who invented stages and theatres?
Who invented everything you use?

Now, who invented peanut oil?

So you need to get off of this black this and black that.

Rap sucks. It always has. It’s very basic…by that I mean you need virtually NO talent to do it. It’s just ridiculous. The only reason it ever got popular is because MTV and VH1 had nothing else. They also figured out that black people watch advertisements and they can sell crap to them.

[R.J.]

I could have seen Zeplin in 68' but didn't go. Wish I would have. Could have seen the Stones in 75', even had the tixs but didn't go. Can't count how many times I could have seen the Dead. But there are lots of bands just as good that hardly anyone knows about, like The Screamin Cheetah Wheelies, Wide Spread Panic, The Hazies, North Mississippi Allstars, and the Drive By Truckers just to name a few. Rock lives on.

[DC DeClue]

Robert Plant defined the word 'cool.' Some quasi-performer such as Puff Daddy has not a fraction of the talent of any of the members of Zep.

And MacDmc, please learn to spell, for crying out loud.

[DC DeClue]

Robert Plant defined the word 'cool.' Some quasi-performer such as Puff Daddy has not a fraction of the talent of any of the members of Zep.

And MacDmc, please learn to spell, for crying out loud.

[Rudy]

I am happy to see, as is usual on the internet. That the rational have drowned out the irrational and negative. I may disagree a bit on wether or not and to what degree "hip Hop" has contributed to the musical landscape. People have spoken and undesrtand that ROCK FUCKIN music is a callorbaration of many races and many styles and in its BEST!!!!!! form is a rebellion against the status quo. That is why rap was and might still be cool in certain forms is its rebelious nature. If people on both sides cant see this then you are fucked. That doesnt mean that you should whole heartledtly take any music of any genre and call it good.

I will quote my favourite musicicina FRANK ZAPPA . as best i can remeber. " Music is not love muisc is no blah blah blah music is the best" essentailly saying that music touhces us in a way we can not comprehenend but is even more understandable then the thing we hold deepest which is love. I think what frank was saying was, we have a hard time defining love but we know great music when we here it. It is something that you know when you here it. Unlike love which seems to dissapate over time or can turn to negativity over time great music always stands up. OK I JUST BLEW MY OWN MIND!!

Frank Zappa!!! Led Zep FTW!!!!!!!!

[Suzanne Settle]

So when do they come to the US? I haven't seen any tour dates.

[Rudy]

Beyond all the crap I have spewed and everybody else. Im gonna get very baked and listen to some Zep and trancend all the BS going on here. That is what the Zep can do. Transport you to the musical landscape they create. Weather it be Arabic influences, blues influemces. Im gonna go sit in my hot tub smoke a doobie like an ole white guy and remeber why they blew my mind in the first place. Originaty while still paying homage to numerous influences. If you cant get off on that. You my friend are fucked and a lesser being for it.

As to one last point about the Zep. Like many people and bands from the era Drugs and alchohol played a part in their greatness and in their shitty performances. My favourite musician Frank Zappa would dissagree and their is alot of carnage in the rock world that would say he is right. However I still Like getting baked and listening to Zep ( and alot of other music).I dont say its right, but a nice buzz in the hot tub listening to Kashmir is quite nice.

Fart noise!!!!!!!! Im drunk by now.

[Thos Weatherby]

I saw some of them when they were the Yardbirds. When they've been with you that long, sometimes it doesn't really matter how they now sound. There are plenty of the 60's rockers, who are not with us anymore. Hendrix, Zappa, Garcia. We still have Jethro Tull. (and they're better than ever)

[Cat]

Ever since 1976 I've been saying how the Physical Graffiti tour sucked. Now I know, thanks to the internet, it wasn't just the LA Forum performance! Such a major, major disappointment (always wanted to right them and ask for my money back :)
I did, oh-so luckily, see Jimmy Page and the Black Crows at the Greek ... now that was a magical night. I could imagine this London performance was the same.

Uh..Only Page was briefly with the Yardbirds.

I wonder...IF a RAP group was able to sell out 5 consecutive nights at the Forum...how many times would we see shots fired in the parking lot???...and would it even be allowed to go on after the first night???

'Nuff said.

[Andy in Oregon]

I will say it again:
"ANYONE can rap. Few can rock".

Yep.

[adam]

on the full tour we will get tangerine and the others

[KNAB]

LZ can definitely rock the house - but as far as no one else "not even The Who at their peak" being able to compete - that's a bit specious. If you can listen to The Who's "Live at Leeds" and still not think that they can hang with Zep - well you're alone on that one. I get chills every time I hear how tight The Who were in their heydey. As far as Zeppelin - their reunion marks an oasis in a dry spell of dead rock. There are a few exceptions to the prepackaged mediocrity of today - Foo Fighters and Audioslave - before the recent breakup - among them. But Zeppelin is definitely a rock tour de force - and no current band comes close.

[KNAB]

By the way, ever notice that it's the condescending liberals that make everything about race - talking about Page stealing from Robert Johnson and what not? Well guess what? The only human that didn't steal music was the first one to bang a rock on a log in rhythm. Music is what it is. To imagine that certain kinds of music belong to certain races shows how truly screwed up as a species we are.

[Mike]

I was too cool in '77 to like Zep, but I paid $11 (outrageous!!!) for a ticket and went anyway. It was ok. Thirty years later, I finally realize how good they are/were, as I crank XM 59, aka the Led Zeppelin channel.

[Ken Ankney]

Wow! Some harsh words among the good vibes! Am I the only person who loves hip hop and Zep? (And Alan Jackson. And Stone Roses. And Radiohead. And Ojos de Brujo . . . etc.)

Am I the only person who thinks that the members of Zep would be horrified at some of the comments posted here? Never mind the music stuff - what about the racial stuff?

Am I the only person besides Tmac that has figured out that the first rude comments were posted by a troll who was trying to ruin the good vibes?

Hey, I'm sorry, but just knowing that Led Zeppelin ever existed brightens my day. Some of their songs just . . . take me to another place. Who mentioned "Over The Hills and Far Away/"? Wow. So true. I'm not going to let anyone ruin that feeling. If you like Zep, you know what I'm talking about. I don't feel anything but love for people who don't like Zep. (Except maybe a little sorry for them.) I hope you have something you can listen to that makes you feel just as good! Let love spread throughout the world! :)

What keeps me going? Is it that Zep is/was so great? Well, not just that. What keeps me going is that I will probably find even more good music this year that will blow my mind in a new way and make me even happier than I am right now. What a great time to be alive!

[Kyle from Hollywood Florida]

I would've gone to the show if I could've got a ticket. As for a US tour, I'll go ANYWHERE even if I don't get a ticket in advance.
By the way, the set list has the song wrong. It's For Your Life.

I saw them in 85 or 86 at Live AID. 3 songs only but it was worth the trip.

[Jeff from Mississippi, New Orleans, Hollwood CA, Miami]

I saw LZ in 1970 New Orleans, 1973 Mobile, Al. Still have that last ticket. $4.50 face value. Had to get that 50 cents! But what about the levee break? Katrina? Hows that for prescient pain? That's a Memphis Minnie song. And you can hear her now. She's still out there tonight growlin and moanin 'bout them levees. Memphis Minnie feels it, wish they would have.

[X-Co-Pilot on The StarShip]

I saw Led Zep on July 21, 1973 at The Providence Civic Center and it was one week before they filmed the NYC Movie Song Remains The Same. The Dry Ice Show was so big it took 1/2 hour to clear the air from the cold mist. Page on Guitar and Bonham on the drums were unreal. That was real Rock N Roll music. They Toured in a customized Boeing 720B Huge Jet called The StarShip and played from 8:00 PM to 11:45 PM Non-Stop for $6.50. I hope they Tour The Great Country USA for another Tour, they will sell every seat and standing room area. Robert is my friend and I know he will sing his heart out. Props to The Best Rock N Roll Band ever, RIP John Bonham & Peter Grant.

[Rick]

Hilarious! More than anything, this proves you're full of shit. In the days of Peter Grant, you would have had the shit kicked out of you with your own equipment.

Notsurprised: "As for filming, I hid nothing, walked through the ticket gates with my gear in hand and never had a problem."

[St. S.....the Bear lit the fire for all the music that followed....]

Too bad the old rockers did all that coke in the 70s or their magic fingers and voices may not have failed for some of you. I almost feel sorry for you that your Zeppelin show wasn't their best performance ever.

Let's all take a moment to step back at the longer picture here and I do beleive rock as we once knew it is dead forever. All we can do now is rehash what is still the coolest ass set of tunes in rock and roll. They sounded great on the clips I saw on the news for being nearly elderly citizens for f's sake. They'll be back in diapers soon won't they?

The man tells us who is going to make it now days. American Idol...rock on!!! Smokin dooby music is gone forever! Fluffy white shirt metrosexual cuter than a girl boy band stuff is your future black racists!

Daughtry...so yummy...rock (mind the term please) on boys!..

Signed,
saw Buddy Guy and BBKing with predominately black crounds and didn't get mugged!!!

not even once!

[j diddy]

i didn't read everything, but i hope somebody has already called out 'not surprised' for saying zep sucked on their physical graffiti. if they sucked so bad, why'd you go to 6 shows??? doesn't sound like a bright idea...

[BrotherBlues]

in regards to macdmc comments about Led being white man's music...Wake UP!!! ALL of their 30 or so covers were of BLACK blues men. Obviously macdmc doesn't know that real rock is black&blue and that Led Zep are the founders of real rock and made the connection from the black man to the white man through classic blues music with a British bands twist. Duh!!!

[Jethro Tull]

Who let that Nigger in the room?

[Kazwell]

the person tryin to start trouble by acting black was off on two levels. First, if he WAS black or a true white wannabe black he would have started the sentence "YO you don't know nothin" NOT "YO you don't know anything" as was stated.
Also, very few if any blacks or wannabe blacks spend time on the net responding to these types of articles as if they were intelligent enough to use a computer, time would be well spent for them looking at sites like phatbootyhoes.com and brothadoinabrotha.com and such.

[Sam Nirvana]

These guys look like fools at their ages on stage and playing heavy metal. I used to work at an old folks home and the people there looked better and younger than these guys. They should have taken a lesson from the Beatles and stopped when it was time to stop. Guess they are so broke they'll go anything for the money. Rock and Roll is for the young.

[Rory]

Led Zeppelin is Heavy Metal? They had some hard rock songs, and they tried punk once and country. Maybe a couple songs sounded like heavy metal but I can't really think of one.

Its amazing people comment on music they have no idea about. Is life that dull that they comment without knowledge? Thats kinda sad.

[BeatleMan]

First off... Rap sucks. The only reason it's "popular" these days is because morons are easy prey for money-grubbing rap "moguls". Brainless music for brainless people.

The superiority of rock bands like Led Zeppelin - and ALL rock bands from the 60's and 70's - can never, and will never, be threatened.

[Jessica]

I dedicate this song to 'macdmc' -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM <- (roll over your mouse between the arrows if you don't see the link)

[Jasin]

It saddens me to read these posts about different forms of music by race. Turning it into a race thing is childish. Don't you all know that Zepplin was influenced by the early great blues players all of whom were black? Hip hop does have some good songs and great artist but the over all message of the culture is one of violence. That wasn't the case of the blues players which focused on suffering. You can scream intolerance and hate all you want but the artists in those days and even today aren't listening to that noise. Music is an expression of life. Have any of you all listened to Indian or Asian music? Not my cup of tea but I appreciate it and yes I think it's different but I don't call anyone out on it. Listen to what whitey made in the 70's and find the roots of it in that. Punks Not Dead. Grow up or go home!

[Harco]

If you paid 6 times to see them and they sucked each time then you're not too bright. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me SIX times and I'm functionally retarded. Quit being a hater if you haven't seen the show or even the band in 30 years then I doubt you have any actual knowledge to base your opinion on. So we are to believed your biased opinion that is based on conjecture from the drug and age addled brain of the kind of hippie that could see 6 Zeppelin shows back in the 1975. You are over 60 have gray pubic hair and opinions that are outdated and laughable as your childhood wardrobe.

[steve]

i saw them the tour before the Physical graffiti trip...74? seattle coliseum...
started with rock n roll...got the chills..
jimmy page is the best riff maker ever, but,he did leave the building on his solos and came back to join the rest of the band only for the songs endings about ten minutes later.......i remember thinking, "there he goes again"....oh well...great show tho..speaking of the yardbirds...i did see jeff beck for the "blow by blow" tour and he is the best "guitar musician" i've ever seen.
totally amazing...

[dale arndt]

The Blues had a baby; and they named it Rock N Roll.

All rocks origins point toward black influences. The Beatles, the Stones, Zep; all of them were influenced by black music.

That's why it saddens me to see how the Hip Hop movement is our generations most prominent black contribution.

The Motown years were magical. We still love these timeless songs. They were actually original and melodic; used instruments, had positive (or at least coherent) messages and great vocals.

Whether you like a particular genre or not the fact remains; you can recognize talent in any genre and that must be respected. Rap is an imposter. It is a lucrative industry that exploits misguided kids for cash. Most of it promotes violence, crime, and anti-social behavior. That's what it is all about. It tells you that having a Bently and a Mr.T starter kit is the pinnacle of success. Don't work for it, fool. Money and whores. If you have lots of money and whores you have to make sure everyone knows it. Then you'll know you have arrived. The fans all want money and whores too and they all want to get it by taking that hoodlum shortcut. Coooool. You will metriculate to the top if you have been shot multiple times, or have shot someone else. If you have done some time you are a shoe-in. They are selling IMAGE, not music. The corporations have an endless pool of dipshit hoodlums to draw from. Create an image; give him a cool street name; throw in some shocking "lyrics" and market the idiot in a gold Escalade with 22" wheels and watch the money pour in. (oh yeah, and make him gesticulate like a "Gibbon".)

We all advise them to invest that money but they end up destitute and forgotten in two years. So what is the definition of good music? Music that survives the test of time 30 years? 400 years? Or Nellie? (Whatever happened to that showboat idiot?)

What the hell happened to R&B? Beyonce? Anyone seen the DTV HD add with Beyonce gyrating and begging for it in "Lemme UP-Grade ya"? I horse-laughed when I saw that. Is this what it's come to? Yikes. I'd like to see Beyonce follow Aretha Franklin. THAT would be funny.

-Dave

[Cosmicflyer]

To all Rockers:

ROCK ON!!

To all Rockers regarding "rappers" or whatever they call themselves today:

Never argue with an idiot; they will drag you down to their level and defeat you with experience at being an idiot.

ZAPPA RULED AND WILL RETURN ONE DAY!!

[gerard pawling]

Duane, Greg, Butch, and Dickie RULE!

[NotSurprised]

Hey harco..who is drug addled??

For the record, I am 52 and dress my age. As noted earlier, I was not high when I saw then. Frankly, stopped smoking even pot at 17. Had you put your personal bong down long enough to have read the WHOLE post...you would see how most of what you wrote is simply cranky bile!

There was NO excuse for being as sloppy as they were back then. Not starting or ending songs together, flat, REALY flat vocals..etc. Just a few acts I have seen have been The Who (MANY times) Bowie both as Ziggy at Radio City and was at The Tower for the live album, both nights. Saw Yes, Rick Wakeman, Jethro Tull, The Allman Brothers with Duane 2 weeks before he died and it was the same set as Live At The Fillmore...Alice Cooper Welcome to My Nightmare..Wings Over America, yadda yadda.

I recall seeing The Who at MSG after the show had been postponed a day due to Moon being ill. The night of the show, Keith would turn behind the drum kit an vomit, wipe his chin, and play as if nothing was wrong.

So before you acuse me of being some bitter old drug rattled AARP dementia client, read what I write before you open your laptop.

BTW..seems LZ is going to play NYC according to Drudge. As for their albums...the 1st 4 were ahead of their time. I still listen to them today.

[gerard]

Plant should have a walker and Page should be in a wheel chair with young Bonham pushing him around

[gerard pawling]

Yo-Yo Ma rules.

[spoonman]

Where is Immigrant Song?? The best Zep song ever! Glad to see them again, it´s about time

[Alison]

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