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December 07, 2007

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Re: FREMANTLE

Things that were noticed at the March on Fremantle:

Generator tech: Non-Union electrician
Tent labor: Non-Union riggers
Staging Labor: Non-Union stagehands
WGA T-shirts: Made in china (Non-Union)
Quote from organizer regarding these issues: "this isnt about the IA."

Solidarity?

Unon Proud

Wait, is that true? The WGA used Non-Union labor to set up their rally? Are you kidding? And WGA organizer said that this isn't about the IA!?!?! Well then what the hell is up with all the non-sense I keep being told about how this is for all of us, and IATSE should really get behind us. Well WGA maybe you should make sure you have solidarity with the union before you start casting stones at others!

BTL Single Guy

I would agree with you if the WGA was actually making any money on the rally and or t-shirts, let alone actual revenue. That said, I would have preferred if they used union talent. I would have also preferred if union members volunteered to do the work as Tenacious D and Alfre Woodward did. That would have showed them true solidarity.

Union Proud

BTL Single Guy, so what you are saying is that it is acceptable to use non-union labor as long as you aren't making a profit? Ok, I mean that is anti union, but ok. What about using non union labor when the whole point is solidarity? Did they pay those nonunion people? If the answer is yes, then they took money from unon pockets! That makes the WGA scabs...or do you not get that? eems to me that the WGA is full of hypocrites.

BTL Single Guy

No, I didn't say it was acceptable or even preferable. I just thought it was incorrect to make the comparison between the WGA's rally and AMPTP as if they were equivalent. It was much worse when IATSE editors took the jobs of writers trying to organize on "America's Next Top Model". Quite frankly, the WGA owes IATSE members no consideration based on the actions of Tom Short and those who apparently support him. If the WGA are scabs for hiring non-union labor (when it wasn't required, by the way), what does that make IATSE when they collaborated with the AMPTP against a fellow union?

Union Proud

BTL Single Guy, when did I compare the WGA to the AMPTP? Did you even bother to read my post? I would like to know the exact line wehere I said, "here is how the WGA is like the AMPTP?" And I never said that the WGA "owes" IATSE anything. However, I do feel that if the WGA want's solidarity, then they should show the same respect, and yes that includes using union labor when you have the choice. You see BTL Single Guy that is a key factor here. Choice! Like whenever some one tells you, "we had no choice but to go on strike." Everyone has a choice, it isn't always a good one, but there is always a choice.

BTL Single Guy

By calling them scabs and hypocrites. I call that hyperbole.

Comparing the choice to hire non-union labor with the choice to strike? Ridiculous. Do we even know if they tried to hire union labor? Did IATSE refuse? Given the behavior of IATSE leadership, do you blame them for hiring non-union if there was, in fact, a choice? Solidarity is a two way street and it seems like many IATSE members are making ultimatums it the same manner as their brothers in the AMPTP. Is this where my dues are going to? Undermining another union? Does IATSE want to be known as the union that collaborated with management against the WGA?

And you're bitching about the WGA not hiring IATSE labor for a rally? Seriously? Did Tom Short hire a member of the WGA to write his press release? Hey, I guess he had a choice too.

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